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Okay folks as the title suggests what Joysticks/ controllers are you using?
I'll admit I am still using my MS Sidewinder from my FS2 days.
In conjunction with my keyboard for Elite Dangerous I can live with it,
yet I'm slightly concerned that it will not cut the mustard for Star Citizen,
especially if I need to manually aim that turret on the Super Hornet.
I'll admit I am still using my MS Sidewinder from my FS2 days.
In conjunction with my keyboard for Elite Dangerous I can live with it,
yet I'm slightly concerned that it will not cut the mustard for Star Citizen,
especially if I need to manually aim that turret on the Super Hornet.
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We were actually discussing Joysticks & HOTAS setups on IRC a month or two ago so I'll drop the log in since it is relevant
I've decided to stick with my 360 gamepad for the time being. Going to wait until they reveal the official SC branded gear and see how those compare to other HOTAS setups already on the market first (like the X-55 etc), then decide which route I want to go "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
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Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
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I think I'll be dusting out my Logitech Attack 3 from the Freespace 2 days, at least to start with.
If I really have to because it's unplayable, I'll look at an upgrade. But...got a lot of memories attached to that stick. I'd rather keep it if I can
If I really have to because it's unplayable, I'll look at an upgrade. But...got a lot of memories attached to that stick. I'd rather keep it if I can
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yeah, think i'll stick with the Sidewinder Precision 2 for a while longer.
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They can be horribly hard to part with can't they, haha
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After 14 years, my Precision 2 is finally replaced.
Finally got my X65F, and it's a beast. A cold metal precise beast.
And I got the pedals as well.
Now I gotta set it up properly and modify my armchair. And also buy a computer that can run the game.
Finally got my X65F, and it's a beast. A cold metal precise beast.
And I got the pedals as well.
Now I gotta set it up properly and modify my armchair. And also buy a computer that can run the game.
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Very, very nice indeed ^^
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Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
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So, my plan has always been to stick with my 360 pad until the SC peripherals are released but since I've already been playing a lot of this and we probably won't see the latter until the end of this year I decided to get something now.
The 360 pad has been decent enough but I've always planned to upgrade from it and stuff like strafing (which will be a must) can be a bit harder to do on it I'm finding. The thing with switching over later as well is I will have spent so long playing it with a gamepad to then have to get used to using something completely different, I might as well do the switch now really. The SC gear might be priced higher as well and it remains to be seen how well they'll compare to stuff already on the market so I figured I'd buy something now which is sure to last me. Not to spend a fortune, but didn't want to buy something cheap and nasty either. As such I'm expecting a delivery probably Mon/Tue next week!
I'll no doubt suck with them at first but should hopefully play better and have an easier time with them in the long run. Will post pics when I receive em!
The 360 pad has been decent enough but I've always planned to upgrade from it and stuff like strafing (which will be a must) can be a bit harder to do on it I'm finding. The thing with switching over later as well is I will have spent so long playing it with a gamepad to then have to get used to using something completely different, I might as well do the switch now really. The SC gear might be priced higher as well and it remains to be seen how well they'll compare to stuff already on the market so I figured I'd buy something now which is sure to last me. Not to spend a fortune, but didn't want to buy something cheap and nasty either. As such I'm expecting a delivery probably Mon/Tue next week!
I'll no doubt suck with them at first but should hopefully play better and have an easier time with them in the long run. Will post pics when I receive em!
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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The X-55 is arguably the best choice for everyone to be buying if they're interested in HOTAS-es right now. It is I believe the newest and only really actively supported one. One of the big problems with sticks is the support evaporates after a while, so buying the newest and still supported one is great. That said, most people who bought X52's are still using them today, and swear by them, which is also a good sign.
The CH pedals are also objectively the best pedals unless you're going for the $600 and above range, which is more pro. I don't know if you looked at the history of CH, but they actually make the "for realz" stuff where you need US Government licensing in order to purchase the military equipment that costs tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. The "game" stuff they sell is just a side business because it's a profitable business. Anything they make has very good longevity, but like military hardware, it's not made "for show".
The CH pedals also come with two nice plastic inserts that you can put at the bottom of the pedal mechanism in order to make them functional for racing games only. Then you can't slide them, you can only use the toebrakes which is ideal for racing games.
But switching over from one control scheme to another will be a bit painful. Well. It can be a LOT painful. To the point where you want to say "Why did I do this, I'm gonna go back to what I used to do". Happened to me before, and it also happened most recently now when I got this HOTAS. But this time I knew to expect it, and so I stuck it out and it's working out better than I ever thought it would.
Remember, you will be utter shit when you start using the stuff. A lot of it will have to do with a) wrong calibration of the hardware in its own hardware program, b) wrong calibration of the hardware with the ingame software (just look at all those sensitivity settings). It will be a job just to sync those two up to be usable.
Admittedly, you'll have an easier time as the X-55 is supported out of the box in Star Citizen. There are default values for it. But you'll still have to wrestle with fine tuning the equipment so it works for you. And picking the correct tension spring.
I'll be able to help you out big time with the pedals by giving you my settings so they'll work with Star Citizen, so that'll be a relief for you, but I'll suggest you do not use them in the beginning. Get used to the HOTAS first. First those 3 degrees of freedom, then the additional 3 with the pedals later. I'll try to break your fall as much as possible. Admittedly I've always had to figure it out alone, which kind of invites frustration, so you maybe won't be that affected by it.
But yeah. Welcome to the club.
The CH pedals are also objectively the best pedals unless you're going for the $600 and above range, which is more pro. I don't know if you looked at the history of CH, but they actually make the "for realz" stuff where you need US Government licensing in order to purchase the military equipment that costs tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars. The "game" stuff they sell is just a side business because it's a profitable business. Anything they make has very good longevity, but like military hardware, it's not made "for show".
The CH pedals also come with two nice plastic inserts that you can put at the bottom of the pedal mechanism in order to make them functional for racing games only. Then you can't slide them, you can only use the toebrakes which is ideal for racing games.
But switching over from one control scheme to another will be a bit painful. Well. It can be a LOT painful. To the point where you want to say "Why did I do this, I'm gonna go back to what I used to do". Happened to me before, and it also happened most recently now when I got this HOTAS. But this time I knew to expect it, and so I stuck it out and it's working out better than I ever thought it would.
Remember, you will be utter shit when you start using the stuff. A lot of it will have to do with a) wrong calibration of the hardware in its own hardware program, b) wrong calibration of the hardware with the ingame software (just look at all those sensitivity settings). It will be a job just to sync those two up to be usable.
Admittedly, you'll have an easier time as the X-55 is supported out of the box in Star Citizen. There are default values for it. But you'll still have to wrestle with fine tuning the equipment so it works for you. And picking the correct tension spring.
I'll be able to help you out big time with the pedals by giving you my settings so they'll work with Star Citizen, so that'll be a relief for you, but I'll suggest you do not use them in the beginning. Get used to the HOTAS first. First those 3 degrees of freedom, then the additional 3 with the pedals later. I'll try to break your fall as much as possible. Admittedly I've always had to figure it out alone, which kind of invites frustration, so you maybe won't be that affected by it.
But yeah. Welcome to the club.
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Also a side note: I got the TrackIR setup, but I'm gonna advise you not to get one.
The killer app for us, and we will be in the position to experience the true heights of this technology, is the Rift.
You see, first person shooters will never work in the Rift because you don't have a football stadium sized treadmill, and even if you did, most games aren't coded for the decoupled gun movement from the sight.
But for flight sims and racing games, you are supposed to be sitting down. You are supposed to have the HOTAS. Flight stick in one hand, throttle in other. It is a one-to-one ratio of immersion. You can ask any current Rift user, who plays either SC or Elite, the experience is unparalleled.
Look at how natural the whole thing works with head movement. Not to mention the aiming, as he moves the gimbals with his head, at a one-to-one perspective, meaning the gimbal movement makes for really precise aiming. (old build of the game, so pop-in etc. but you get the idea)
The killer app for us, and we will be in the position to experience the true heights of this technology, is the Rift.
You see, first person shooters will never work in the Rift because you don't have a football stadium sized treadmill, and even if you did, most games aren't coded for the decoupled gun movement from the sight.
But for flight sims and racing games, you are supposed to be sitting down. You are supposed to have the HOTAS. Flight stick in one hand, throttle in other. It is a one-to-one ratio of immersion. You can ask any current Rift user, who plays either SC or Elite, the experience is unparalleled.
Look at how natural the whole thing works with head movement. Not to mention the aiming, as he moves the gimbals with his head, at a one-to-one perspective, meaning the gimbal movement makes for really precise aiming. (old build of the game, so pop-in etc. but you get the idea)
Exciting times.
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Aye, I was thinking of doing just that. Get used to switching over and using the HOTAS first and then start to bring the pedals in when I feel a little more comfortable with it. Rather than try and take both on at once. Fully expecting to suck with it at first (and that's when I've got it all set up lol) but looking forward to their arrival.
And yeah. Definitely gonna keep my eye on the rift for when the consumer model comes out (hopefully before the end of this year and not be *too* expensive). Just thinking about the potential of that (before watching the vid) in a game like SC gets me excited. Gonna be an incredible experience that's for sure.
And yeah. Definitely gonna keep my eye on the rift for when the consumer model comes out (hopefully before the end of this year and not be *too* expensive). Just thinking about the potential of that (before watching the vid) in a game like SC gets me excited. Gonna be an incredible experience that's for sure.
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Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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If you can, do some searches on X-55 configurations people have, as well as their sensitivity and deadzone settings in the control profile for the driver/software of the device in windows.
Get prepped that way a bit to see how others prefer their settings.
Get prepped that way a bit to see how others prefer their settings.
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Looks like we had the same thought on that as I have this bookmarked too
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Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
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Great, of course because the X55 is the default, this part'll be easy for you.
It was like pulling teeth for me. But great that you're on top of it.
It was like pulling teeth for me. But great that you're on top of it.
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This was the setup that I tried at Eurogamer Expo last year, albeit for Elite. It truly is an amazing experience, and an amazing way to play the game.BlackDove wrote:But for flight sims and racing games, you are supposed to be sitting down. You are supposed to have the HOTAS. Flight stick in one hand, throttle in other. It is a one-to-one ratio of immersion. You can ask any current Rift user, who plays either SC or Elite, the experience is unparalleled.
Look at how natural the whole thing works with head movement. Not to mention the aiming, as he moves the gimbals with his head, at a one-to-one perspective, meaning the gimbal movement makes for really precise aiming. (old build of the game, so pop-in etc. but you get the idea)
Exciting times.
One day when I have my own place I hope to get that setup. I really, really sucked at it, partly because of genre rust and partly because even though I'd used a HOTAS setup before it feels so different and alien when you're under Rift. But once you've adapted, I think it'll be an unparalleled gaming experience.
Truly, very exciting indeed.
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Do you guys know if they've alluded to what the eventual pricing may be for the consumer model btw?
Looking at their site, the latest dev kit is $350 so around £226. Are the retail versions going to be priced around the same do we know? or maybe a bit more / less?. That pricing point doesn't seem too bad really, cheaper than what I would have gussed at least.
Looking at their site, the latest dev kit is $350 so around £226. Are the retail versions going to be priced around the same do we know? or maybe a bit more / less?. That pricing point doesn't seem too bad really, cheaper than what I would have gussed at least.
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Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
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Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
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It'll likely be sold at cost, but the problem is the quality.
They won't release until the quality of the tech is there for it to be without issues, but the tech in some small parts does not exist yet.
I know Samsung will be making 4k mobile phone screens this year, probably by Q4, or if delayed, by Q2 next year. After all, the Rift just uses their parts in the assembly. The problem is probably running that 4k screen at an acceptable framerate.
That said, it'll likely be sold at cost because of facebook. They will want to get the tech in as many hands as possible, in order to dominate the VR market completely. There's money to be made in having a monopoly within specific markets.
Expect it to be around the price of DK2, maybe a bit higher depending on the prototipity of the technological components within the device.
This is where they were at last year by the way, and his speeches are good to watch because he abso-lutely does not give any <censored> about discussing the problems with the tech in an open way, which is what he says in the intro (it's a lot of mobile talk because of Samsung's Gear VR, which is inserting one of their phones as the screens, but it's the same thing more or less, as the Rift uses the mobile phone screen as well):
They won't release until the quality of the tech is there for it to be without issues, but the tech in some small parts does not exist yet.
I know Samsung will be making 4k mobile phone screens this year, probably by Q4, or if delayed, by Q2 next year. After all, the Rift just uses their parts in the assembly. The problem is probably running that 4k screen at an acceptable framerate.
That said, it'll likely be sold at cost because of facebook. They will want to get the tech in as many hands as possible, in order to dominate the VR market completely. There's money to be made in having a monopoly within specific markets.
Expect it to be around the price of DK2, maybe a bit higher depending on the prototipity of the technological components within the device.
This is where they were at last year by the way, and his speeches are good to watch because he abso-lutely does not give any <censored> about discussing the problems with the tech in an open way, which is what he says in the intro (it's a lot of mobile talk because of Samsung's Gear VR, which is inserting one of their phones as the screens, but it's the same thing more or less, as the Rift uses the mobile phone screen as well):
He's due for another speech soon.
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My new toy arrived
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Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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Very nice! I've always wanted one of these Rhinos.. Quite jealous!
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Yeap, looks almost the same as mine.M.Steiner wrote:My new toy arrived
Time to start sucking.
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Finally shelled out for a X55, this thing is huge, I was expecting it to be larger than my last stick, but when you factor in the throttle it is big.
And thus based on the X55 I have to believe BDs' X65 is straight out of the space shuttle!!!
MS do you have a Star Citizen Schema you would be prepared to part with?
Otherwise its off to the RSI forums (with multi mode schema).
And thus based on the X55 I have to believe BDs' X65 is straight out of the space shuttle!!!
MS do you have a Star Citizen Schema you would be prepared to part with?
Otherwise its off to the RSI forums (with multi mode schema).
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MS has it all, he can guide you through it. Give you the .xml too.
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Cheers BD.
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Grats on the X55, Ash!. It looked kinda big in the pics and videos I'd seen of it but I never took any measurements so was a little surprised when I unboxed it all
As for schema/profile. I'm using this. Up to the "Additional Crap" part.
The only change I made was to rebind (ingame) Fire Group 2 to use the same red trigger as Fire Group 1.
I did run into some confusion a week or two ago when some of my stuff wasn't working (the throttle iirc) and realised they weren't mapped ingame but I figured out why that was. The keys are mapped in both the Rhino software (.pr0 file) and the game itself (.xml), and both work together to give you the complete setup. What you need to do is open up your task manager, find X-55 Rhino Profiler and make sure "run this program as an administrator" is ticked (I think this made a difference for me but I could be wrong) and that you have always selected the Star Citizen profile for it in the system tray. I leave my PC on for long periods of time so when I rebooted and loaded the game up to find my controls not working it took me a while to figure out what was wrong as I hadn't changed anything and the game hadn't been patched either. Was all down to the fact that I'd forgotten to re-load the Rhino profile.
I did start and attempt to remap everything in the game itself from scratch to match the above scheme but it was driving me mad heh. Once I figured out what I'd done wrong with the above I just stuck with that. Much easier to just dump those files in and go. Works fine when you're doing it right lol
As for schema/profile. I'm using this. Up to the "Additional Crap" part.
The only change I made was to rebind (ingame) Fire Group 2 to use the same red trigger as Fire Group 1.
I did run into some confusion a week or two ago when some of my stuff wasn't working (the throttle iirc) and realised they weren't mapped ingame but I figured out why that was. The keys are mapped in both the Rhino software (.pr0 file) and the game itself (.xml), and both work together to give you the complete setup. What you need to do is open up your task manager, find X-55 Rhino Profiler and make sure "run this program as an administrator" is ticked (I think this made a difference for me but I could be wrong) and that you have always selected the Star Citizen profile for it in the system tray. I leave my PC on for long periods of time so when I rebooted and loaded the game up to find my controls not working it took me a while to figure out what was wrong as I hadn't changed anything and the game hadn't been patched either. Was all down to the fact that I'd forgotten to re-load the Rhino profile.
I did start and attempt to remap everything in the game itself from scratch to match the above scheme but it was driving me mad heh. Once I figured out what I'd done wrong with the above I just stuck with that. Much easier to just dump those files in and go. Works fine when you're doing it right lol
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
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Why didn't you upload your .xml for him?