That's gotta hurt (EvE related)

[Thunderbird]

I figured it might be of general amusement to more than just the EvE population here though .

http://www.massively.com/2010/08/08/eve ... game-time/

[Isileth]

haha ouch.

Real silly move by the person transporting it though.


On a side note I hadnt heard about the plex for Haiti donation they ran. Thats a very clever idea. The fact someone donated 88bn isk (worth $6000) shows having different ways to give to charity really works.

[Anubis]

That's a really great way of handling subscriptions by CCP imo. Things like that really add to the immersion of the game and make the world more lifelike.

That said, bet the attackers raged for a while when they saw everything was destroyed

[Stracius]

The guy was an idiot for not stowing them into a small secure container before putting them into his cargo hold. Cargo scanners only see what's in the cargo hold, they're unable to scan the contents of containers inside said hold (ergo a scan would have revealed a small secure container worth 5k isk instead of 74 plexes). Then there's the whole eggs in one basket part... 74 plexes? Just wow. I thought my 2-3 bil loss to a similar pirate gank was bad. Ship with paper thin armor... no escort.

Nevermind. This guy was a full-on retard that deserved to lose those.

[BlackDove]

Great way to make loot meaningful.

<censored> the consumer, make profit.

Genius.

[winbrian]

Yeah that's quite a loss. Very stupid to try to transport them insecurely. Idiocy needs to stop!

At the very least in a secure container and in a covert ops or transport would I even take those around let alone 74 of them.

And why a Kestrel.... Buzzard would have the job so easy.

And I'm guessing he didn't have the insta-warp bookmark haha

[Futile Resistance]

Haha. Awesome.

Someone posted in the comments that he was an alliance leader probably transporting them for a bunch of members. Ouch.

Eve was just too draining for me - maybe I took it too personally when my ship got popped.

Yet another moment that will go down in Eve (and sandbox) history.

[Fenavian]

Considering how much this game in particular has destroyed friendships and organizations, this is yet another reason for me to not play the game. I was considering coming back for a while but after seeing this article, it's safe to say that I won't ever be returning under circumstances like this. I mean if I pay CCP to give me something and then all of the sudden its lost due to pirates, then to me that says that CCP is downright shady. And their shadiness is already legendary as it is. Doesn't matter if the person made a bad error in judgment, its the fact that someone paid CCP with real money for a product and the fact that it wasn't delivered because someone had a bug up their ass to blow up a cargo ship, that tells me that they intended for things like this to happen so they can rake in the money while folks end up losing out on their hard earned cash.

[Isileth]

Actually Fen you are wrong on a few things there.

Yes they paid for an ingame item, but it was delivered. You enter a code to redeem it and it appears in station for you to just right click and activate. The only reason to move them is if your trying to take them and sell them elsewhere for a profit.

He made the choice and its a choice that comes with risk as well as reward, thats what EVE is about. (Also as a side note he will have bought those using ingame cash from others who bought them with real cash to sell ingame)

[Stracius]

that tells me that they intended for things like this to happen so they can rake in the money while folks end up losing out on their hard earned cash.

I'm not one to stick up for a company that can fend for themself, but I do find your claim that CCP is shady to be somewhat... off. In this case, the ability to place PLEXs into a ship's cargo hold was only recently added, after getting enough player requests for it to be implemented (I don't believe they can be purchased in nullsec space, and the trip back to empire space can be extremely hazardous).

The only people that lose anything worthwhile in this game are those people who invest too much into it, something that I don't think should be done in any game. They're ideally meant to creatively waste time, not give you another reason to invest significant amounts of your life in (which doesn't stop people from doing it anyway ). Anyone who takes a game too seriously is a fool and a half, including this idiot that blew over $1k to get in-game money, legal or otherwise.

Come and play, or don't. We'll be here regardless.

[Fenavian]

Ok fine, lets look at the facts: Real money is spent and can actually be lost. That to me is an error in judgment on CCP's part. I mean folks can try to justify it any which way they want, but the only people that are benefiting is CCP and thats it really. I feel its shady, you guys don't, it's not that big a deal. At the end of the day someone screwed up and lost some serious cargo.

[Anubis]

Ok fine, lets look at the facts: Real money is spent and can actually be lost. That to me is an error in judgment on CCP's part. I mean folks can try to justify it any which way they want, but the only people that are benefiting is CCP and thats it really. I feel its shady, you guys don't, it's not that big a deal. At the end of the day someone screwed up and lost some serious cargo.

Whilst I disagree and am a fan of the idea myself, I can certainly understand where you're coming from. You're right that ultimately the only beneficiary will be CCP, and whilst a more realistic gameworld is the result, that's perhaps not a good thing from every point of view.

It is certainly a contraversial development decision. But you're right - at the end of the day, this was more of an individual screw up than anything.

[Isileth]

Well Fen thats what EVE is about, plus the players themselves have actually been asking for it.

The appeal of EVE is that its true PvP in a fully player controlled world. You can lose that ship you spent months saving up for, you can get killed and lose billions. Its for those people that feel games where you die and just respawn with all your equipment, maybe having to pay a small repair cost doesnt give the game that same feel.

That has nothing to do with CCP being shady, as has been said it didnt even start with that, it was only added because the players wanted it. So I dont see how that makes CCP shady. At no point will you ever have to risk your own money, never ever. Currently you can enter a code redeem it safely in a station and instantly activate it while never having to venture out into the big bad world. No risk whatsoever.

However...for those that want to risk it, for those that choose to, for those that want the reward that comes with risk, they can. Only if they want to.


And again that player never lost any money anyway. Someone else bought a timecode with real cash and sold it ingame for isk. Then someone else bought it using just ingame money and risked it all for a greater profit of ingame money. For that person its just as if they bought any other ingame product and tried to make a profit. The didnt lose a single penny of real cash and neither did the person selling the original timecode.

[Stracius]

for those people that feel games where you die and just respawn with all your equipment, maybe having to pay a small repair cost

This.

Ok fine, lets look at the facts: Real money is spent and can actually be lost.

Which can happen with any game (excluding those you may not have actually spent money on to obtain). As I said before: come and play, or don't. You've already let us know how you feel about CCP, why continue beating a dead horse?

[winbrian]

Yeah it really sucks for the people out in 0.0 space, that you'd have to go to high sec to get where most PLEX are. Or that they make an alt and bring it to 0.0 space. Which is dangerous either way. Perhaps they could just buy the codes now rather than buying PLEX and just redeem and sell them in 0.0 spaces that they control. I think you can buy/sell codes via eveonline.com account management page, it's secure. Simple.

[Fenavian]

for those people that feel games where you die and just respawn with all your equipment, maybe having to pay a small repair cost

This.

Ok fine, lets look at the facts: Real money is spent and can actually be lost.

Which can happen with any game (excluding those you may not have actually spent money on to obtain). As I said before: come and play, or don't. You've already let us know how you feel about CCP, why continue beating a dead horse?

First off i didn't come in and beat a dead horse. I was put on the defensive, so I ended my part in things by my last statement. As for CCP being shady I can point to several instances of it. This is another example where I see them walk that fine line. The possibility of losing us losing out on real money when they only win, is something that doesn't sit well with me. I have made that point clear and ended my part in the discussion. So unlike some, I didn't just come into a topic and state that i didn't like something and didn't add to the conversation. You all pointed out that I was wrong on some perceptions of facts and I conceded and left it at that. So lets move on instead of trying to see a fire when there isn't one. In all honestly I am not mad or upset in anyway shape or form. I just think its a bad idea. nothing more nothing less.

(And sorry about the accidental editing. the quote button and the edit button are sooo close together. My bad folks)

[BlackDove]

SOMEONE INSULTED MY GAME COMPANY

NO U

NO U

MORTAL KOMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[Fenavian]

Fight!!

[Isileth]

As for CCP being shady I can point to several instances of it. This is another example where I see them walk that fine line. The possibility of losing us losing out on real money when they only win, is something that doesn't sit well with me.

As others have said I can see where you are coming from, however even taking that into account it doesnt hold for this example anyway. No one lost any money.

Player A paid real cash for his timecode, he sold it for ingame money. He has in his hand the isk he sold his timecode for.
Player B purchased the timecode from player A using ingame money. Player B now has the timecode.
Player B decides to take his timecode to somewhere he can sell it for an ingame profit. He is killed along the way and the timecode is destroyed.


How is that any different than losing any other ingame item? If the first person could actually lose his timecode without selling it or transporting it I would agree there might be a problem there but thats not the case.

At no point did anyone lose something they paid real money for, the only things lost are those ingame money was spent on.



And on the two points of them being shady and insulting a favourite company I would say I dont know a thing about the company. I dont know the country they are from, who owns them, what other games they have etc.

My only problem with your statement was that it was incorrect.

[Stracius]

No, I want the last word. Leave off. Rawr.