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Kidou Senshi Gundam Double Zero

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:10 am

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It starts airing in 3 days.

I'll be watching this expecting Gundam SEED like things. You might want to do the same as well.

L'Arc en Ciel's Opening theme "Daybreak's Bell" is pretty good too.

They're putting money into this, which is a good sign. The director worked on Shin Seiki Evangelion and directed the Full Metal Alchemist epsiodes/movie.

Promising.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:12 pm

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Hrm... I kinda hoped they'd do a bit more old school with this one. The first two trailers I saw showed some character design that were more similar to 90's Gundam (X, Wing) than SEED.

All I care about is how good the plot is, and I don't want to see overpowered aimbots! :mad:

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:31 pm

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I am (apparently :p ) going to be watching this as an intro into Anime. I will probably drop my thoughts off when I have seen a few episodes and BD has sufficiently beaten me in this direction.

Not many expectations, as I only have a few episodes of Kenshin under my anime belt to go by, but hopefully I'll be impressed. We shall see.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:04 pm

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:lol: I find myself somewhat surprised that BD's attempt to introduce you to Anime didn't start off with some Hentai.


Haven't seen any of it yet, of course, so can't say how it might fare as a starter. I have others I might recommend instead - depending on your taste in fiction - but I imagine Dovey might've already checked out that end.

Ah well, enjoy, and if you don't like it, we'll just blame BD as usual (and then expose you to some Hentai anyway)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:53 am

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Also this is the first one that'll be airing in HD, which is one of the things I'm excited about.

I've seen a few of the promo's (in HD) and the thing looks REALLY GOOD. You will need a good processor to handle the top quality subs though. If you want the full OP PM me or Anubis on IRC.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:33 am

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So, what'd you guys think?

It's a nice way to use (plot wise) those overpowered Gundams. Similar to what Lacus Clyne's forces did at the end of SEED, except we kick off the series with it.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:54 pm

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It finally looks like they're not going to do the "One Gundam > All" like what they've been doing with STRIKE FREEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM!!111111111111oneoenoeneone

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!1111111111111111one

Although, that's no guarantee it won't change, because Bandai makes a killing in selling figurines, and these anime are usually just made as reasons to buy said figurines.

At any rate, I hope it doesn't turn into masturbation, and the start really looks solid. You have a melee, a sniper, a fast scout and a big bertha defender/bazooka suit. And they work like a team.

Story side of things, I reckon it'll be interesting, since they covered the basis in the first one. There's 51 episodes to flesh out the basic premise (a lot of ways it could go), and I doubt we'll be dissapointed.

Also, you need to watch this in 1080i to fully appreciate it.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:27 am

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Wow, just saw the 1080 version. I'm hoping a sub group will choose the HQ version as their RAW choice.

Those animated lines never looked so fine :thumb:

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:20 pm

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Indeed, and you can pretty much take screencaps and make them into wallpapers.

No more grainy resized wallpapers made out of pixels and failiure.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:28 pm

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Ok, I watched it yesterday and today up to the current episode of 14.

I think they should of called it Wing SEED. ;p

I only say that due to the fact that it's very much got that Gundam Wing and SEED vibe. Especially Wing. CB is very much trying to accomplish what LAcus was in SEED, however it's in a much easier to understand format. It certainly makes sense in the long run of things. Become an unstoppable force to get the warring nations to band together to stop you. Pretty cut and dry.

My only real issues is that most of the characters are very wooden and uninteresting. I am hoping that changes with the series. And for pete's sake, why is it that every anime I have watched lately has a character in it with multiple personality disorder?!

The series certainly has potential and I will be watching it closely for the time being.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:31 pm

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Well, that wraps up the first season. Six months till the second one.

It is one of the best, if not the best Gundam show to date as far as I'm concerned.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:19 pm

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Not seen the last episode yet, but I've really enjoyed the show so far. It surprised me, since anime was essentially 'God NO!' territory before I started watching, but this has shown me there are indeed some good ones out there that avoid the stupidity that usually turns me off.

High point so far for me has to be 23 and 24, just because they hit the nail so hard in regards to emotional scenes. But the show has really just got better and better as its gone on. I approve.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:27 pm

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BlackDove wrote:Well, that wraps up the first season. Six months till the second one.

It is one of the best, if not the best Gundam show to date as far as I'm concerned.
I have to agree. I was amazed at some of the big reveals at the end of the episode. Everything about the series was top notch. Character development, story, music, designs, everything. I certainly will be looking for this on DVD when it arrives.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:44 pm

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I can't wait for October when they continue it really.

But I'll have Code Geass Hangyaku no Lelouch to tide me over. At least they're not breaking for nothing.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:33 pm

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That any good? Whats it about?
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Re: Kidou Senshi Gundam Double Zero

PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:07 pm

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IT'S TIME NOW - SEE ME NOW!
Great series. Great ending.

Goodbye 00.

Re: Kidou Senshi Gundam Double Zero

PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:14 am

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The film has followed on from the seasons perfectly, I can't fault it. It was the pefect balance between story/battle sequences.
I was a little worried they may carry on in the same sort of vein as the second season but thankfully they managed to make the use of Trans-Am spectacular again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:43 pm

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Setsuna... he's so BIG

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:41 pm

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I watched this last night, after completing my rewatch of 00 as a whole on Thursday. The film was very good and fit the series perfectly - a fine epilogue to the story the show told. I did feel that the ending (prior to the credits and the two scenes that followed) was quite abrupt though, and that disappointed me.
I would have liked to have seen the interaction on the ELS' homeworld that lead to the peace, as we began to see when Setsuna was within their 'mothership' - the abrupt jump from Quantisation one second and peace breaking out the next without the detail in between was, imo, a missed opportunity.

That said, and whilst I did enjoy the movie overall, having watched both series and the movie in a relatively short space of time, for me I think it possibly fell short of the series. It was in effect a continuation, yes, but it felt like an epilogue to me all the way through - the closing chapter, showing how the journey ended. When I was done, and had analysed it in my head a little, there's one thing I kept thinking of - "Maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey."

What I mean by that is not that the movie was irrelevant, but simply that it couldn't match what the series had done simply because it was an epilogue and thus had to depart somewhat from what made the series resonate so strongly (with me at least). Whilst the point of the show was always to get to those "initial dialogues", it was always focused on the transition needed to make that possible and how the reality of humanity - its flaws that result in global conflict, and its desire for war - was an obstacle that needed to be overcome.

That kept the series firmly bedded in realism, as the way humanity was presented as a whole was always completely and totally accurate. In the movie...that bedding of realism was gone, because the flaws had basically all been corrected following the formation of the new Federation Government, and the desire for war suffocated if not abolished altogether.

What that meant was that the movie didn't connect so firmly for me, as I do not believe humanity will ever reach such a 'pure' state. Sure, it was the end of the story and if I were to take "Gundam 00" as one long experience rather than three seperate entities, it does fit very well. But considering the movie seperately, or even considering the stronger and weaker elements of the 00 experience as a whole, I would have to say that due to that realism disconnect it just does not match up for me.

With all that said, there was one scene in the movie that I felt just clicked completely, and was just a perfect summing up of 00 as a whole - the very last where Marina and Setsuna meet again, and we are then presented with the quote that sums up the show so perfectly. I am very glad they put that in, and it was probably the strongest scene in the whole movie for me.
Also, Feldt > Marina :(
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Re: Kidou Senshi Gundam Double Zero

PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:30 am

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They stuck to their guns. The entire impetus for the series from the get-go were the "dialogs to come". When you think about it, the entire "realistic" aspect was always geared towards something bigger. And it's the way it should be, because otherwise, the entire reasoning for why Celestial Being was created is pointless, and crashes the entire backbone of the series, and the reasoning for the whole of the events taking place.
And they delivered. I thought the movie was going to be about something else entirely, but once I was done, I was very glad with the fact that they did indeed deliver on their promise. SEED pretty much <censored> it up entirely by simply hinting at it and then absolutely doing nothing to further it, leaving it as some back-end plot device. If you'll remember, there's a similar character in SEED that comes back from the deep end to bring the Newtype awareness, or SEED factor as a discovery. But that entire arc never goes anywhere, and what you got was a cash in (this is actually presumably what most people wanted with 00), which was Destiny, a repeat of the first season, invalidating and canceling the first season and the entire franchise outright.

With 00, the ending justified the entire series, and I'd say the film is what makes the series whole, and not the other way around. In the end, with Celestial Being having positioned things to the way they ended up, it allowed them to survive the test with the new race that they were to encounter, with the alternative being to face complete obliteration.

Also, you don't seem to have connected the ending proper. Once 00 Quan[T] jumped, there was no "peace agreement" or "interaction" or whatever you envisioned that was to happen in order to broker peace with the alien race. The idea was that the aliens couldn't communicate without an Innovator and Veda with the Mass Quantum Particles in the background working in conjunction. However, once that equation was solved, as he entered the mothership, the exchange with the alien race was instantaneous. They read Setsuna's mind, and exchanged data - their end went into Veda since he couldn't take it in himself, but by the end before he jumped, he did see their story through Tieria/Veda's help. Once the exchange was complete they immediately transformed into an image they got from his head, which was the flower you see at the end. The entire point of the flower was to signify that the exchange happened and that there was nothing else to be said. This was the sign that they understood, and they ceased hostilities at once. Through Setsuna, they understood mankind, and complied with his wishes instantly. The flower within the context of Setsuna's thoughts is generally, peace and life. And that was the message the aliens complied with when they transformed into the flower.

The details beyond that are relatively redundant, and would take away from the point of the series and the film. They wrap it up well by the end, with just the "innovators everywhere, happy go lucky, we're going to the alien homeworld, woo hoo, the end". To delve further into that would have diminished the point that they were trying to make with the entire series and the film. You can probably have a 50 episode series just about the aliens and the human interaction with them (the shit that would happen after the ending), and whatever problems you can get out of that into a screenplay, which shouldn't be that hard, but would be completely besides the point.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:25 pm

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I agree 100% BD. This movie wrapped everything up all nice and neat with a little bow on top.
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