ZG - Spider Boss

Gutka · Post by **Gutka** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:42 pm

Some comments since we had so much trouble with this damn boss this past weekend...

boss 4: this is a really hard fight if not everyone is on top of things... in his spider form he will web melee, shake aggro and attack the raid... melee should stay in one section and everyone else a few yards back... 1 tank stays w/ the group to taunt him when aggro shakes to bring it back to MT... dedicate 2 pallies to constantly keep a blessing of freedom rotation on the MT to make this easier... 2 pallies with a 15s spell effecta nd 30s recast timer can keep it on him consistently if organized properly... when he does web and aggro erase... everyone stop DPS until MT has him again... if u want to take the time to make greater nature protection pots... it will help a lot... regardless 1 pally or druid per gropu is a MUST as cleansing is super priority.. that aoe poison can drop the raid in the quickness.... expect a few wipes here (oh yea.. all DPS must focus on spawns as soon as they come out.. if not killed fast... they upgrade to higher lvl spawns that are harder to kill and hit a lot harder)

Trixster · Post by **Trixster** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:49 pm

bigest issue i saw with the boss this last week was that alot of peps were still attacking when the trasnform happened, no one should attack till the MT has the boss back.

Gutka · Post by **Gutka** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:52 pm

that's why I had the comments in Bold letters. After the first wipe. I typed at least 2x that every1 needs to stop dps on spider until Mel gets it back to me. I still see casters hitting on it...

another point i want to bring out.. is we really need druids and pallies to cleanse and decurse.. those take our health down FAST...

Also, another good idea is to have a 3rd tank.. taunt the spider when Mel's taunt is resisted.

Does pally Ice trap works on the spider adds? does it at least slow them down?

just my 2 cents..

Magdalena · Post by **Magdalena** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:36 pm

Both very good points, we were better on decurse this time around but only had 1 pally, which I believe hurt us on this fight quite a bit. Nature resist certainly wouldn't hurt for this fight, at least a good thing to hand out to those up close and personal.

3rd tank is a great idea as taunt was resisted several times this go round (had no resists the time we downed him). Both run up and taunt (no hitting him whatsoever) and run asap to the main tank. The main tank shouldn't have to move, possibly set a macro to follow them so you make sure you go right to them. Blessing of freedom though is also needed for each back-up tank pulling it back, they have to be able to get back to the group as soon as they can.

All dps has to stop though as soon as she goes spider, this means not one wand, dot, swing of the sword, nothing no matter who you are should be aimed at her.

Also noted in the suggestion Gutka put yp, they had all dps switch to spider spawns as soon as they're up, this might be worth trying to get them down faster before they are able to start doing more dmg. Also gives tank a little more aggro time and everybody can get back to the boss a lot quicker. Exception to this is probably rogues, they have to keep up on her to kick so she doesn't heal.

Also something I heard this weekend on ZG that I'd like to comment on... it was stated that someone knew some things about the instance but didn't want to say anything because they wanted to let us "do it our way"... This is bologna guys, if you know something from running one of these, speak up. Send it to me in a whisper if nothing else or a PM on here. We're just learning these, and going strictly off of online suggestions so there is no "our way" yet, that is yet to be developed.
I won't say the names of those that said it or who they said knew something, but I will ask that person(s) to speak up and help the group out. Be part of it, don't sit back and be a spectator.

requiemdreamer · Post by **requiemdreamer** » Tue May 30, 2006 5:52 pm

Gutka wrote:that's why I had the comments in Bold letters. After the first wipe. I typed at least 2x that every1 needs to stop dps on spider until Mel gets it back to me. I still see casters hitting on it...

If this keeps happening make sure you speak up in Ventrilo and tell everyone to back off. I know that in the middle of a fight not as much attention falls on what is typed as opposed to what is spoken.

Gutka · Post by **Gutka** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:02 pm

Unfortunately my mic doesn't work.. it just doesn't work all of sudden... i didn't make any changes or anything... otherwise i would speak up :-)

I saw Mel's taunt got resisted.. i ran to get it.. but mine got resisted as well..

Our first try was really ping pong style, but this past weekend was just not working... i guess that's why people call ZG a luck instance.

Padishar · Post by **Padishar** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:13 pm

Did everyone try again after Sat to take on the boss again?
I unfortunately missed Sundays run

Don't know if you went back to try her again and if people were still having trouble not backing off when she shape changes

Trixster · Post by **Trixster** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:00 pm

didnt have the peps for sunday raid, so we just farmed trash in there for rep

Caspae · Post by **Caspae** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:54 pm

There is a wow eu section , Im on irc daily .. If you WANT Any of the raiders in the wow eu group will probably be at your service , contributing tactics or something usefull ; tips whatever. Feel free to throw me a pm :

Ps boss 3 (spider) pally druid have cleanse rank 1 and only support heal you might want to take a few priest -> spider form spider goes for the hunter group everyone up shield the hunter that gets aggro (it usually is the same guy all the time) and let him run to the MT =)
So : 1 : Druid Pallies cleanse -> Priests main heal best would b e if you can do without the druids pallies ... In a non mc guild this may be impossible (cant speak for this =p) So renews and a flash of light . keep a hunter up with shields hunter use aspect of the monkey get to the mt and kill . When you farm this thing I suggest you leave the bloodlord alone hes hard.
If you dont want no spoilers I can Edit my post off =)
gl and may the drops be with you !=pp
<3 , Casp.

lili · Post by **lili** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:17 pm

I have a question. Does the spider also wipe the dots when he transforms? If the dots doesn't wipe then I can see why it just runs every where. And yes help with killing spiders is a good idea (could be the reason why when we killed him the first time the two mages dies first). Us mages try to get them down fast, but they are still lvl 60 and it usually takes us probably a good amount of time before we can down one especially with the wacking we get as we are trying to cast. I know I know you say aoe them, but each aoe takes a lot of mana and to be just killing two spiders with aoe's we will run out of mana before they run out of health. (fyi each blizzard is about 1k in mana and if we get hit it's cast time is much shorter and pretty much a waste of mana.) Also it might be good if the MT can talk on vent to say the transformation cause many of us are spoiled by it and does not read the chats, or make it a a /ra macro and broadcast it in CT raid. Kind of weird they don't have that in already, but then again there's not much for ZG bosses, or am I totally outdated on my CT raid and its just not poping up those messages for me.

Caspae · Post by **Caspae** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:20 pm

lili wrote:I have a question. Does the spider also wipe the dots when he transforms? If the dots doesn't wipe then I can see why it just runs every where. And yes help with killing spiders is a good idea (could be the reason why when we killed him the first time the two mages dies first). Us mages try to get them down fast, but they are still lvl 60 and it usually takes us probably a good amount of time before we can down one especially with the wacking we get as we are trying to cast. I know I know you say aoe them, but each aoe takes a lot of mana and to be just killing two spiders with aoe's we will run out of mana before they run out of health. (fyi each blizzard is about 1k in mana and if we get hit it's cast time is much shorter and pretty much a waste of mana.) Also it might be good if the MT can talk on vent to say the transformation cause many of us are spoiled by it and does not read the chats, or make it a a /ra macro and broadcast it in CT raid. Kind of weird they don't have that in already, but then again there's not much for ZG bosses, or am I totally outdated on my CT raid and its just not poping up those messages for me.

Err ive been out of the game for a week of 3 , but iirc our ctraid tells us when theres a poison volley / Transform : Further : If you cannot aoe the adds down which makes sense ,youre not tier 2 geared I suggest the following : Make a Main assist person : This person gains player target in the CTra window (will pop up next to the mt window) all dps follows this players target : so you click the players target dps it down within seconds and next target .. Bit of a lot of work but if you cant aoe it , that seems the best option

any other questions -> hit irc !:)
Edit : dont think she loses dots over transformations

lili · Post by **lili** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:25 pm

Can't hit IRC in the hospital big no no. But thank you for the tips...I think the have one person on add and everybody helping will help consider most of the time we only have two mages and one lock doing the aoe. (we are probably the only guild heavy on healers and have very few mages 2 mages per raid has been good for us.)

Caspae · Post by **Caspae** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:30 pm

''...very few mages 2 mages per raid has been good for us..''
2 Mages is a rather large shortage for zg

Seeing panther boss will require atleast 3-4-5 mages and adds come in large numbers , Getting some friend mages to help would seriously help :/ Anyway ! Hope stuff I said will be of use , gonna call it a night ... Hope to read some feedback on how it worked later... When my pc gets back I can chatter on vent with u to assist

Gl @ the hospital mate !
<3, Casp.

Magdalena · Post by **Magdalena** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:58 pm

Yeah, our class balances are seriously off balance.... we have enough priests and warriors though to go through anything... hardly ever a shortage there. Main shortages are usually the dps classes... mage, rogue, hunter... i have alts i could go on but i'm 1 of only 2 prot spec'd wars and have gotten a lot of gear that makes it easier for the group if I'm tanking bosses... at least for now...

Brandonheat · Post by **Brandonheat** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:51 pm

we downed her before, so we know its not out of our reach.