The following is a chat log from the Fallen Angels Clan Leaders Meeting of 28th December 2004. Previously private, we have now made this log public for historical purposes.
Participating in the meeting were Defenders of York, Shattered Star eXiles & Reakktor 2000. Maester Seymour & Notorious B.I.G attended from eXiles.
12-28-2004 18:15:08 > Morpheous : Ok, first lets outline the purpose of this meeting.
12-28-2004 18:15:44 > Morpheous : This meeting is being held to reach a peaceful conclusion of the hostilities between members of the Fallen Angels.
12-28-2004 18:15:57 > Spiro : 1st
12-28-2004 18:16:07 > Spiro : we havent been here for 1 week
12-28-2004 18:16:15 > Spiro : so we dont know nothing
12-28-2004 18:16:43 > Morpheous : Alright
12-28-2004 18:16:44 > Ressi Blade : well yes true Mr Spiro but R2K members have been killing last night
12-28-2004 18:16:51 > Ressi Blade : but thats not the point
12-28-2004 18:17:14 > Osiris : re crash
12-28-2004 18:17:15 > Ressi Blade : the point is that we could put all these energies to better use if we have peace
12-28-2004 18:17:28 > Morpheous : Indeed Ms. Blade.
12-28-2004 18:17:33 > agreed
12-28-2004 18:17:39 > Ressi Blade : there is no way to reconstruct all that happened and who shot first
12-28-2004 18:17:46 > Ressi Blade : so let that be behind us
12-28-2004 18:17:56 > Ressi Blade : what we need to do it get our clan members under controll
12-28-2004 18:18:11 > Ressi Blade : put a stop to it and rather organize some OP taking then in fighting
12-28-2004 18:18:31 > Ressi Blade : or even MC5 runs
12-28-2004 18:18:38 > Morpheous : Indeed.
12-28-2004 18:18:53 > Ressi Blade : something productive for all concerned
12-28-2004 18:18:57 > Notorious BIG : agreed. but how? suggestions?
12-28-2004 18:19:11 > Ressi Blade : well the first thing is
12-28-2004 18:19:20 > Ressi Blade : and I know some of u have a prob with that
12-28-2004 18:19:34 > Ressi Blade : that clan DoY is giving Billabong and friends a second chance
12-28-2004 18:19:38 > Notorious BIG : Rangers are herre
12-28-2004 18:20:00 > Ressi Blade : ah nice Rangers made it
12-28-2004 18:20:12 > another R2K ;)
12-28-2004 18:20:13 > Notorious BIG : please restate your last for the Rangers
12-28-2004 18:20:16 > Morpheous : Welcome
12-28-2004 18:20:17 > Xuwin Xerox : hiho
12-28-2004 18:20:19 > hey m8
12-28-2004 18:20:21 > Ressi Blade : welcome
12-28-2004 18:20:22 > Tala Wolfspirit : HI
12-28-2004 18:20:25 > Notorious BIG : oops
12-28-2004 18:20:29 > Notorious BIG : my misake
12-28-2004 18:20:30 > Ressi Blade : well the first thing is
12-28-2004 18:20:38 > Ressi Blade : that clan DoY is giving Billabong and friends a second chance
12-28-2004 18:20:52 > Ressi Blade : and there fore I will be responsible for their acts
12-28-2004 18:21:06 > Ressi Blade : which is fine with me but let us giove them a chance
12-28-2004 18:21:14 > Ressi Blade : so far they have turned out to be valuable members
12-28-2004 18:21:22 > Ressi Blade : ooc: soz typos
12-28-2004 18:21:26 > Morpheous : Gentlemen can we please sit down and remove our armour so we may continue this discussion?
12-28-2004 18:22:16 > Xuwin Xerox : nah,me as a female monk is ashamed to show my blank head :/
12-28-2004 18:22:29 > Morpheous : Alright then.
12-28-2004 18:22:31 > Ressi Blade : oh come on we have bald heads too
12-28-2004 18:22:36 > I don't have any objections with you guys giving Billa & Co a second chance if thats what you wish to do, the only times when exiles have attacked billabong is when he was procity and opened fire on us outside our lift.
12-28-2004 18:22:42 > Tala Wolfspirit : well I feel your pain my lovly red hair
12-28-2004 18:23:01 > Ressi Blade : ok thats good and appreciated
12-28-2004 18:23:19 > Morpheous : Keep on topic please...*Grins*
12-28-2004 18:23:26 > Ressi Blade : shush Tala
12-28-2004 18:23:49 > Spiro : the point is: Billa & Co left us for no real reason
12-28-2004 18:24:03 > Ressi Blade : we are not here to make any accusations Mr Spiro
12-28-2004 18:24:14 > Spiro : alen was willst du
12-28-2004 18:24:22 > Spiro : das app ist scheiße
12-28-2004 18:24:27 > Ressi Blade : or anything like that I just would appreciate it if I would not be dictated who and who can not be in my clan
12-28-2004 18:24:32 > Spiro : und du machst mich schräg an
12-28-2004 18:24:48 > Spiro : ich hab OOC vergessen sry
12-28-2004 18:24:54 > Ressi Blade : np
12-28-2004 18:25:30 > Notorious BIG : Ressi, do you feel that you have been "dictated who and who can not be in (your) clan"
12-28-2004 18:25:49 > Ressi Blade : I will be responsible for their actions and if need be they will be dismissed, but as I said so far they have turned out to be valuable members
12-28-2004 18:26:08 > Ressi Blade : sigh yes in a way some clans took great offense to this
12-28-2004 18:26:37 > Notorious BIG : I understand that point that clans took offense, but do you feel that you've been "dictated" to? (Just clarifying)
12-28-2004 18:27:02 > Ressi Blade : well would call it attempted dictate in a way
12-28-2004 18:27:18 > Ressi Blade : it was made clear that I should throw them out
12-28-2004 18:27:36 > Morpheous : Who made that clear?
12-28-2004 18:27:52 > Ressi Blade : i can understand any resentment towards them they did kill FA but I would pefer to give them a second chance trying to get them back into the folds of FA
12-28-2004 18:28:02 > Notorious BIG : good question Morph..
12-28-2004 18:28:18 > Ressi Blade : thats is besides the point and it was several clans
12-28-2004 18:28:34 > Ressi Blade : Iam not here to list names guys
12-28-2004 18:28:41 > Morpheous : Alright.
12-28-2004 18:28:51 > Morpheous : Mr. Spiro please sit down.
12-28-2004 18:29:10 > Tala Wolfspirit : nice monky inpersonation Mr Spiro
12-28-2004 18:29:18 > Ressi Blade : Tala............
12-28-2004 18:29:22 > Spiro : i know thnx
12-28-2004 18:29:26 > Morpheous : *Coughs*
12-28-2004 18:29:29 > Notorious BIG : lol... plz back on topic
12-28-2004 18:29:33 > Spiro : i want to go to hollywood ;)
12-28-2004 18:29:34 > Ressi Blade : ok I thought this was a serious convo here
12-28-2004 18:29:34 > Morpheous : Indeed.
12-28-2004 18:29:51 > Morpheous : Ladies, Gentlemen.....
12-28-2004 18:30:06 > Notorious BIG : so lets just cut to the solution.... what is to be done?
12-28-2004 18:30:25 > Morpheous : This meeting is deciding the future of the Fallen Angels as a faction in a way.... keep on topic and serious please.
12-28-2004 18:30:27 > Ressi Blade : well what we need is an understanding that FA clans will not attack each other in the future
12-28-2004 18:30:28 > Morpheous : Yes
12-28-2004 18:30:48 > Ressi Blade : we should use this energy of our members to take OP's instead
12-28-2004 18:31:12 > Ressi Blade : if several clans are involved in taking/holding OP's then those should take turns in owning said OP's
12-28-2004 18:31:17 > Ressi Blade : for example
12-28-2004 18:31:35 > Spiro : beside: Have you ever had an OP?
12-28-2004 18:31:41 > Ressi Blade : this ingame fighting is a waste of time and energy and equipment
12-28-2004 18:31:49 > Ressi Blade : yes we have Mr Spiro
12-28-2004 18:31:57 > Spiro : (and fought for it)
12-28-2004 18:32:03 > Ressi Blade : yes
12-28-2004 18:32:09 > Ressi Blade : why do u need to know
12-28-2004 18:32:16 > Ressi Blade : I mean hat does that have to do with anything
12-28-2004 18:32:21 > Tala Wolfspirit : yes they where ninjad away
12-28-2004 18:32:23 > Xuwin Xerox : ssx and r2k are going for some ops when rah comes back with his brand new edible underwear and i got my beautiful hair back :/
12-28-2004 18:32:52 > Morpheous : Just SSX and R2K?
12-28-2004 18:32:56 > Morpheous : DoY are not to be involved in this?
12-28-2004 18:33:12 > Spiro : erm
12-28-2004 18:33:14 > Xuwin Xerox : doy may join us
12-28-2004 18:33:17 > of course if they want to
12-28-2004 18:33:21 > Xuwin Xerox : jop
12-28-2004 18:33:22 > Notorious BIG : DoY is always welcome to
12-28-2004 18:33:51 > Xuwin Xerox : but atm we got a closer relationship to ssx
12-28-2004 18:33:54 > Morpheous : May or can Mr. Xerox?
12-28-2004 18:33:56 > same with Rangers and Phoenix if they wanted to also
12-28-2004 18:34:08 > Xuwin Xerox : Mrs. pls =P
12-28-2004 18:34:16 > Notorious BIG : Welcome To .... NOT may or can
12-28-2004 18:34:16 > Morpheous : Mrs. Xerox, I apologise.
12-28-2004 18:34:21 > Xuwin Xerox : but np =P
12-28-2004 18:34:22 > Spiro : but...
12-28-2004 18:34:27 > Ressi Blade : ah yes I understand thanks Big
12-28-2004 18:34:36 > Spiro : there is no reason to take 4 clans to a clan vs clan opfight
12-28-2004 18:34:56 > Ressi Blade : rememebr not the whole clans may be online at such a time
12-28-2004 18:35:03 > Morpheous : The way I see it, we are a faction, not four clans.....
12-28-2004 18:35:10 > Morpheous : Or at least, thats what we need to be.
12-28-2004 18:35:10 > Ressi Blade : yes true
12-28-2004 18:35:24 > Spiro : yeah we are 2 clans
12-28-2004 18:35:29 > Spiro : ssx and r2k
12-28-2004 18:35:35 > Morpheous : The level of unity between clans is shocking to be honest.
12-28-2004 18:35:36 > Xuwin Xerox : spiro -_-
12-28-2004 18:35:40 > Morpheous : Mr. Spiro?
12-28-2004 18:35:51 > Ressi Blade : yes indeed Morpheous I am baffled by this
12-28-2004 18:36:37 > Xuwin Xerox : you would like to be involved in op wars ,right ?
12-28-2004 18:36:50 > Tala Wolfspirit : yes
12-28-2004 18:36:59 > Morpheous : DoY and Phoenix both as members of the Fallen Angels faction are both willing and wanting to participate in OP wars.
12-28-2004 18:37:02 > Ressi Blade : are u asking clan DoY
12-28-2004 18:37:22 > Xuwin Xerox : atm yes
12-28-2004 18:37:25 > Xuwin Xerox : and phoenix
12-28-2004 18:37:35 > Ressi Blade : ok well since I brought up the item I would say so
12-28-2004 18:37:37 > well, r2k and ssx often fight together since we really always have done. Sometimes if we're having a big fight which includes many factions, Rangers sometimes attend and so on.
12-28-2004 18:37:53 > But most of the op fights we've had have just been r2k and ssx so far
12-28-2004 18:38:01 > Xuwin Xerox : jop
12-28-2004 18:38:02 > Notorious BIG : true
12-28-2004 18:38:25 > Morpheous : Mr. Spiro and Mr. Seymour.... if a DoY team turned up at an OP fight and offered to help, what would be your reaction?
12-28-2004 18:38:32 > Xuwin Xerox : the problem in a "faction op fight" is the communication
12-28-2004 18:38:35 > but if r2k have enough people alone to fight clan vs clan, then they do do.
12-28-2004 18:38:42 > Ressi Blade : yes but it it not true that if a FA members screams for help we try to all come running no matter where
12-28-2004 18:38:42 > Spiro : is that a retoric question?
12-28-2004 18:38:44 > if not then we lend our support
12-28-2004 18:39:16 > Morpheous : No. It is not a rhetorical question Mr. Spiro.
12-28-2004 18:39:31 > if we are having a large op fight vs many clans, then if rangers, doy or Phoenix wanted to lend us their support then they are more than welcome to
12-28-2004 18:39:33 > Ressi Blade : well this seems to go nowhere we are coming off topic
12-28-2004 18:39:34 > thats how i see it anyway
12-28-2004 18:39:40 > Ressi Blade : and this topic is peace within FA
12-28-2004 18:39:57 > Spiro : well have you got any Fight experience?
12-28-2004 18:39:58 > Xuwin Xerox : next time we will give you a call
12-28-2004 18:40:00 > Xuwin Xerox : okie ?
12-28-2004 18:40:02 > Xuwin Xerox : we can try it
12-28-2004 18:40:08 > Notorious BIG : we can have peace by fighting together
12-28-2004 18:40:10 > Ressi Blade : sure Mrs Xerox
12-28-2004 18:40:20 > Notorious BIG : so I believe it is relevant to the discussion
12-28-2004 18:40:32 > Morpheous : Spiro all clans in FA are experienced with outpost fight procedures and have considerable experience.
12-28-2004 18:40:44 > Spiro : yeah
12-28-2004 18:41:03 > Spiro : really? But why the never bring their OWN ppus along
12-28-2004 18:41:18 > Spiro : and cry after no support "how bad we are"
12-28-2004 18:41:29 > Ressi Blade : along to OP fights u have never asked us for assistance
12-28-2004 18:41:32 > Morpheous : Mr. Spiro! Answer the question!
12-28-2004 18:41:51 > Morpheous : Would you accept DoY support at an OP battle?
12-28-2004 18:42:24 > Spiro : well the point is, we are on diffrent TS servers (if they got any)
12-28-2004 18:42:35 > Ressi Blade : they got
12-28-2004 18:42:39 > Ressi Blade : ooc:
12-28-2004 18:43:02 > Spiro : and
12-28-2004 18:43:08 > R2K, SSX and Rangers all use the same teamspeak server u see, so we are usually the first to hear when a fight is happening.
12-28-2004 18:43:10 > Ressi Blade : ooc: and Phoenix can log in on our TS anytime
12-28-2004 18:43:15 > Tala Wolfspirit : we have been using TS for years want the IP?
12-28-2004 18:43:28 > Morpheous : Would you or would you not accept DoY runners into a OP battle and fight alongside them?
12-28-2004 18:43:50 > Spiro : if they have the skill to fight
12-28-2004 18:43:52 > Spiro : why not
12-28-2004 18:43:55 > Notorious BIG : To be fair, Many of R2K's OP fights have been alone. Just stating a fact. At times they invite SSX when they don't have enough members.
12-28-2004 18:43:59 > Morpheous : That's a yes then?
12-28-2004 18:44:17 > Morpheous : This is not a question of skill, this is a question of will.
12-28-2004 18:44:26 > Xuwin Xerox : yeah and with rah we are always in contact with ssx
12-28-2004 18:44:48 > Spiro : but i dont want to type all our tactics to DOY
12-28-2004 18:45:01 > Ressi Blade : that can be fixed Mr Spiro
12-28-2004 18:45:13 > Xuwin Xerox : let me speak for r2k
12-28-2004 18:45:18 > Morpheous : Is that read a yes Mr. Spiro?
12-28-2004 18:45:22 > Spiro : yeah my enflish is worse
12-28-2004 18:45:25 > Xuwin Xerox : yes, we will accept reinforcement
12-28-2004 18:45:27 > Spiro : oy
12-28-2004 18:45:29 > Spiro : joy
12-28-2004 18:45:47 > Morpheous : Mrs. Xerox we need Mr Spiro to speak as Leader of r2k.
12-28-2004 18:45:47 > Xuwin Xerox : or _help_
12-28-2004 18:45:51 > Ressi Blade : ok then I assume that means the infighting stops here including Cheese Flip
12-28-2004 18:45:59 > Xuwin Xerox : if you want him to ... okie
12-28-2004 18:46:10 > Spiro : listen to xuwin
12-28-2004 18:46:13 > Ressi Blade : he can speak german I translate np
12-28-2004 18:46:31 > Notorious BIG : in order to effectively communicate with R2K during OP Fights, one must be able to speak German. Since SirRah can speak both English and German very well, he gets the strategies from R2K for the figh
12-28-2004 18:46:43 > Morpheous : I would like to make a proposal to all clans here. To cease hostilities between us.
12-28-2004 18:47:12 > Ressi Blade : well I speak german so no problem
12-28-2004 18:47:21 > Notorious BIG : I like that suggestion Morpheous.
12-28-2004 18:47:52 > Morpheous : I suggest that all clans here impose a 20k fine payable to clan funds for every accusation of allied PKing that the member cannot disprove.
12-28-2004 18:47:53 > go ahead Morph =)
12-28-2004 18:48:08 > Ressi Blade : clan DoY has done that already
12-28-2004 18:48:19 > Spiro : seh ich so aus?
12-28-2004 18:48:21 > Ressi Blade : as of last night
12-28-2004 18:48:56 > Spiro : wir haben 73 member and ssx 100+
12-28-2004 18:49:09 > Ressi Blade : iund das heisst ?????
12-28-2004 18:49:10 > Spiro : ihr habt zusammen 50, na klingelts?
12-28-2004 18:49:14 > Morpheous : Ja, und?
12-28-2004 18:49:18 > Xuwin Xerox : 73 * 20k = 1.460.000
12-28-2004 18:49:37 > Ressi Blade : oh u expect to have every member kill one of u s????
12-28-2004 18:49:42 > Ressi Blade : I dont comprehend
12-28-2004 18:49:43 > Xuwin Xerox : hmm may i pay for every member of us ?
12-28-2004 18:49:44 > so basically if someone gets accused of allied killing they have to put 20k in their clan bank - i got that right ?
12-28-2004 18:49:45 > Morpheous : This is a PREVENTITIVE
12-28-2004 18:49:54 > Notorious BIG : hmm.. I don't think imposing a fine would do much... I think as gentlemen and ladies we can agree to cease the hostilities as far as clans are concerned..... as far as Individuals are concerned, p
12-28-2004 18:50:26 > Ressi Blade : yes as long as we dont hear this dayly he shot first she shot first
12-28-2004 18:50:31 > Xuwin Xerox : money is nothing
12-28-2004 18:50:37 > Morpheous : If there will be a cease of hostilities this fine will lay that down and remind members who have grudges not to toe the line.
12-28-2004 18:50:37 > Notorious BIG : I think the fine is meaningless...
12-28-2004 18:50:42 > Xuwin Xerox : jop
12-28-2004 18:50:51 > Notorious BIG : I think a person's word is more important than their money
12-28-2004 18:50:55 > Ressi Blade : ok I can agree to that
12-28-2004 18:51:00 > agree'd too.
12-28-2004 18:51:08 > Tala Wolfspirit : but the fine can keep track of how done what when so you can deal with problem memeber
12-28-2004 18:51:28 > Notorious BIG : the penalty for breaking your word is the embarassment... that alone should be bad enough for a Fallen Angel
12-28-2004 18:51:33 > Ressi Blade : well Tala we will keep our fine system for now
12-28-2004 18:51:39 > Morpheous : Yes. I will be creating a site where leaders can log allied vs allied PKs....
12-28-2004 18:51:42 > Ressi Blade : yes true Big
12-28-2004 18:51:57 > Morpheous : BIG, I'm afraid I don't believe that is the case with some FallenAngels.
12-28-2004 18:52:06 > Morpheous : Sad but there it is.
12-28-2004 18:52:10 > Ressi Blade : bt it should be Morpheous
12-28-2004 18:52:16 > Spiro : and the big question:
12-28-2004 18:52:20 > Ressi Blade : the honor is important or should be important to all of us
12-28-2004 18:52:24 > Notorious BIG : then the clan leaders need to address the individuals causing the problems if Honor is not enough
12-28-2004 18:52:29 > Spiro : H o w t o p r o v e ?
12-28-2004 18:52:39 > Tala Wolfspirit : screen shots
12-28-2004 18:52:50 > Notorious BIG : screenies do not prove who shot firts
12-28-2004 18:52:51 > Notorious BIG : first
12-28-2004 18:52:55 > Notorious BIG : only who won
12-28-2004 18:52:59 > FACTION> Asterix : anyone in the meeting DM me the password
12-28-2004 18:52:59 > Spiro : ^^
12-28-2004 18:53:00 > Spiro : yeah
12-28-2004 18:53:03 > if you happen to be pk'd by a fellow angel (one of the clans here, and rangers). Then could we agree NOT to go out and pk them back, but to go and tell their leader about it. Then their leader can deal with the person in question
12-28-2004 18:53:06 > Morpheous : If an accusation is made and cannot be disproved. I took over 130 screenshots last night, showing exactly who shot first.
12-28-2004 18:53:11 > Spiro : did youve changed app pwd?
12-28-2004 18:53:16 > Morpheous : Yes
12-28-2004 18:53:19 > Morpheous : We are all in here
12-28-2004 18:53:27 > Morpheous : There is no need for any more.
12-28-2004 18:53:28 > Notorious BIG : I think this idea of a fine is bringing us FAR AWAY from a solution to our problems
12-28-2004 18:53:33 > Spiro : our diplomats and coleaders not
12-28-2004 18:53:51 > If anyone ever has a problem with an exile, plz just come to either myself or Sirrah and we will deal with it.
12-28-2004 18:54:02 > Notorious BIG : if MS or Rah are not on
12-28-2004 18:54:05 > Notorious BIG : you may let me know
12-28-2004 18:54:06 > Ressi Blade : the invitation was for 2 of each clan
12-28-2004 18:54:12 > Notorious BIG : and I will pass the info to them
12-28-2004 18:54:22 > and if you can't get hold of us then let one of our council know - Biggie is one of them.
12-28-2004 18:54:37 > Spiro : jo wir spielen jetzt kinnergarten
12-28-2004 18:54:38 > Ressi Blade : very good
12-28-2004 18:55:08 > Ressi Blade : I agree leaders/coleader should be notified
12-28-2004 18:55:13 > Spiro : und unterhalten uns über pk stundenlang
12-28-2004 18:55:14 > Ressi Blade : and then talk to each other
12-28-2004 18:55:28 > Asterix : nabend
12-28-2004 18:55:29 > Spiro : es wird rein gar nix bringen
12-28-2004 18:55:38 > Spiro : wenn die fraction sich net einig ist
12-28-2004 18:55:40 > Ressi Blade : well Spiro ich denke PK in clans ist ein problem
12-28-2004 18:55:41 > Asterix : also wie ich das sehe
12-28-2004 18:55:56 > Asterix : kommt DoY auf KoS und alles is ok
12-28-2004 18:56:04 > Asterix : fertig
12-28-2004 18:56:16 > Ressi Blade : warum bist du hier Asterix
12-28-2004 18:56:20 > Asterix : wir sind die normale FA alliance , die alte
12-28-2004 18:56:24 > Spiro : weil er coleader ist
12-28-2004 18:56:26 > welcome to the rest of R2K :)
12-28-2004 18:56:27 > Ressi Blade : und sagst und clan DoY is KOS
12-28-2004 18:56:34 > Asterix : wir fingen nicht an mit faction pk
12-28-2004 18:56:43 > Asterix : und ich hab keine lust auf den scheiss hier schon wieder
12-28-2004 18:56:50 > Ressi Blade : das ist doch momentan scheissegal wir wollen es beendeden du aber nicht
12-28-2004 18:56:51 > Asterix : das hatten wir alles schonmal auf uranus
12-28-2004 18:57:05 > Xuwin Xerox : nah the other 7 people are still in another channel -_-
12-28-2004 18:57:07 > Asterix : das geht jetzt vllt für ne woche gut
12-28-2004 18:57:13 > hmm well it seems to have gone okay so far
12-28-2004 18:57:34 > Notorious BIG : so then... if there are not other issues to discuss, it seems as if we have had a successful meeting? 1. DoY & Phoenix are welcome to join in on OP Fights ..... 2. Clan hostilities have ceased....
12-28-2004 18:57:57 > Morpheous : Notorious.....
12-28-2004 18:58:07 > Notorious BIG : yes.... listening.....
12-28-2004 18:58:11 > Morpheous : Translations read something along the lines of "Let's put DoY on KOS"
12-28-2004 18:58:18 > Morpheous : We have issues here.
12-28-2004 18:58:21 > :/
12-28-2004 18:58:22 > Notorious BIG : said by Ressi....
12-28-2004 18:58:31 > Notorious BIG : if i read correctly?
12-28-2004 18:58:48 > Morpheous : R2K I want all of you out right now except Spiro and Asterix!
12-28-2004 18:58:53 > Ressi Blade : yes thats what Asterix said "out DoY on KOS
12-28-2004 18:58:57 > Morpheous : R2K I want all of you out right now except Spiro and Asterix!
12-28-2004 18:59:06 > Xuwin Xerox : okie,hf morpheous
12-28-2004 18:59:16 > Spiro : we are one clan
12-28-2004 18:59:19 > Ressi Blade : out = put
12-28-2004 18:59:21 > Spiro : who decide together
12-28-2004 18:59:22 > Ressi Blade : soz typo
12-28-2004 18:59:31 > Morpheous : I'm sorry but I do not tolerate this behaviour in a meeting between clanleaders
12-28-2004 18:59:38 > Morpheous : The intended audience was clearly stated
12-28-2004 18:59:47 > Kim van Xun : <------ co leader
12-28-2004 18:59:53 > Morpheous : We only need one
12-28-2004 18:59:55 > Xuwin Xerox : we are leaving bye
12-28-2004 18:59:56 > Marah Dark : <--too + diplomat
12-28-2004 19:00:01 > Ressi Blade : on eleader one coleader not the whole board
12-28-2004 19:00:21 > Morpheous : R2k, All except Asterix and Spiro out within 10 seconds.
12-28-2004 19:00:41 > Morpheous : Right.
12-28-2004 19:00:53 > Morpheous : Asterix, take a seat please.
12-28-2004 19:01:07 > Asti has logged out :/
12-28-2004 19:01:15 > Morpheous : All of them have....
12-28-2004 19:01:16 > Ressi Blade : yes so has spiro
12-28-2004 19:01:45 > Ressi Blade : ok so
12-28-2004 19:01:52 > Ressi Blade : after this unpleseant event
12-28-2004 19:02:02 > Notorious BIG : that wasn't such a great move Morpheous.... there were other ways to handle that .... making demands never worked well with R2K
12-28-2004 19:02:03 > Ressi Blade : can at least the present ppl agree on soemthing
12-28-2004 19:02:31 > Morpheous : As far as I am concered, they were outside the original terms of the meeting by a whole lot.....
12-28-2004 19:02:38 > Ressi Blade : Mr Big I can understand Morph 2 ppl of each clan have been invited
12-28-2004 19:02:40 > Morpheous : I snapped when I heard te gunfire.
12-28-2004 19:02:52 > Morpheous : Let me draw up a chair.....
12-28-2004 19:03:00 > Notorious BIG : I agree Ressi, but there are ways of speaking to people in diplomatic situations such as this
12-28-2004 19:03:06 > Morpheous : Alright.
12-28-2004 19:03:27 > Notorious BIG : listening.....
12-28-2004 19:03:28 > Morpheous : I think it is pretty much settled between your two clans there is to be no violence?
12-28-2004 19:03:40 > Ressi Blade : It is from DoY side
12-28-2004 19:03:49 > and from ours
12-28-2004 19:03:57 > Ressi Blade : and tbh very few Exiles have particiapated to begin with
12-28-2004 19:03:57 > Morpheous : Right.
12-28-2004 19:04:13 > Ressi Blade : the big problem is still R2K
12-28-2004 19:04:14 > Notorious BIG : We are just trying to unite the faction.
12-28-2004 19:04:21 > Ressi Blade : as are we Big
12-28-2004 19:04:24 > Morpheous : I know of no cases of Exiles attacking DoY or Phoenix- infact an Exiles PPU rezzed H-K when he was killed by r2k
12-28-2004 19:04:33 > Ressi Blade : yes correct
12-28-2004 19:04:40 > Morpheous : Now.... the problem as I see it is this
12-28-2004 19:04:48 > Morpheous : R2k are refusing to negotiate.
12-28-2004 19:05:28 > Tala Wolfspirit : quite frankly R2K are being childish we are trying here
12-28-2004 19:05:30 > Morpheous : They dodge questions, pretend not to know English etc....
12-28-2004 19:05:42 > Morpheous : So we're basically left with very few options.
12-28-2004 19:05:50 > Ressi Blade : *sigh*
12-28-2004 19:06:05 > Notorious BIG : Not starting a fight here.... but it must be said
12-28-2004 19:06:14 > Ressi Blade : please speak Big
12-28-2004 19:06:21 > Ressi Blade : and we will not fight no worry
12-28-2004 19:06:30 > Notorious BIG : that you had successful negotiations with R2K up until Morph started speaking down to their clan
12-28-2004 19:06:41 > Notorious BIG : I understand that only 2 ppl from clan were supposed to come here
12-28-2004 19:06:42 > Notorious BIG : but
12-28-2004 19:06:55 > Ressi Blade : I am not sure about that I just held my toungue when he got sarcastic
12-28-2004 19:06:57 > Notorious BIG : that could have been expressed in a more polite and diplomatic way
12-28-2004 19:06:58 > Morpheous : Well, I responded to a direct insult to the DoY clan, not to their large prescense
12-28-2004 19:07:09 > Notorious BIG : thats' all i'm saying
12-28-2004 19:07:25 > Morpheous : There was a few insults thrown about in German.... I picked up the esscence of them and Ressi translated for me.
12-28-2004 19:07:41 > R2K are similar to exiles in the way that they don't see themselves as having a "leader" as such, they all make their decisions between them all rather than just 1 person making it for their whole clan.
12-28-2004 19:07:49 > Morpheous : I try to be as liberal as possible to R2k members.....
12-28-2004 19:07:55 > Morpheous : Yes I see
12-28-2004 19:08:11 > Ressi Blade : Mr Seymour they could have decided together later after the end of this convo
12-28-2004 19:08:15 > Tala Wolfspirit : niether does DoY as such we are all one family that work together
12-28-2004 19:08:17 > Morpheous : That management style has its ups and downs..... but it's not rocket science to use team chat etc.
12-28-2004 19:08:25 > Ressi Blade : or Spiro could have left consulted with them and come back with result
12-28-2004 19:08:38 > Morpheous : Anyhow.... the few options we have, most of which are not viable.
12-28-2004 19:08:48 > Notorious BIG : that would be good BUT .... that's not how they operate
12-28-2004 19:08:52 > Morpheous : What do you think our options are Ressi and Maester?
12-28-2004 19:09:00 > Morpheous : To keep FA united as a faction
12-28-2004 19:09:18 > Ressi Blade : well right now I am at a total loss again I have been pulling my hair out over this for weeks now
12-28-2004 19:09:37 > Ressi Blade : they dont respect me as chairwoman so my hands seem to be tight
12-28-2004 19:09:46 > Ressi Blade : all I want is this faction to work as one unit
12-28-2004 19:09:58 > well tbh i don't see much of a problem between the clans that are here right now, we really need R2K and Rangers here.
12-28-2004 19:10:01 > Ressi Blade : but they are adressing Rah as chairman with is very disrepsectful
12-28-2004 19:10:08 > Ressi Blade : he may be next term but is not now
12-28-2004 19:10:24 > Tala Wolfspirit : ooc: If this don't stop I'm going to just quit cause franckly it's setting my ilness back a few years and I don't need all this stress
12-28-2004 19:10:29 > Ressi Blade : well Mr Seymour if u have an idea how to do that please do tell
12-28-2004 19:10:51 > Morpheous : Well...... I suggest we retire to our respective HQs and think on this.
12-28-2004 19:11:03 > Notorious BIG : u still there MS?
12-28-2004 19:11:07 > yes
12-28-2004 19:11:12 > Tala Wolfspirit : ME
12-28-2004 19:11:17 > Ressi Blade : me too
12-28-2004 19:11:42 > Ressi Blade : ok Morpheous lets do that
12-28-2004 19:11:50 > Morpheous : Alright then....
12-28-2004 19:12:00 > Ressi Blade : as long as exiles and DoY have an agreement I can live with that for now and work on the rest later
12-28-2004 19:12:20 > Notorious BIG : I think any problems directly between DoY / Phoenix / SSX are nil.... thus this needs to be addressed with R2K and Rangers....
12-28-2004 19:12:30 > Ressi Blade : yes I agree
12-28-2004 19:12:39 > Notorious BIG : I STRONGLY suggest you get a mediator in here for that meeting
12-28-2004 19:12:49 > Ressi Blade : Morpheous is the mediator
12-28-2004 19:12:50 > Morpheous : Indeed. We'll looktowards some informal meetings later on and another formal one
12-28-2004 19:12:50 > another meeting would be good to hold so there is agreement from both R2K and Rangers as well. Maybe next week
12-28-2004 19:12:57 > Morpheous : Yes- hopefully Brammers will be back by then.
12-28-2004 19:13:09 > Notorious BIG : that sounds good
12-28-2004 19:13:10 > Ressi Blade : yes lets hope so
12-28-2004 19:13:21 > Ressi Blade : well thanks you for your time gentlemen
12-28-2004 19:13:24 > Tala Wolfspirit : ooc: I have never personaly had a problem with any Exciles member and I think you are ok level headed people
12-28-2004 19:13:26 > Morpheous : Indeed.
12-28-2004 19:13:33 > Notorious BIG : for now... it seems like there should be no PKing between DoY and R2K atm....
12-28-2004 19:13:35 > Ressi Blade : I will advise my members to honor this agreemembt
12-28-2004 19:13:39 > I will talk with Rangers and try to get them to come, and Rah should be back next week so i'm sure he can pursuade R2K to come back.
12-28-2004 19:13:45 > Me too Ressi
12-28-2004 19:13:58 > Notorious BIG : Thank you for this meeting Morpheous
12-28-2004 19:14:08 > Notorious BIG : thank your for your presence Ressi and Tala
12-28-2004 19:14:10 > Ressi Blade : yes thanks you very much Morpheous
12-28-2004 19:14:16 > thanks for the meeting everyone :)
12-28-2004 19:14:21 > Ressi Blade : thanks for coming Big amd Seymour
12-28-2004 19:14:22 > Morpheous : thank you all
12-28-2004 19:14:25 > Morpheous : good day
12-28-2004 19:14:26 > Ressi Blade : stay safe
12-28-2004 19:14:28 > Tala Wolfspirit : thank you for showing
12-28-2004 19:14:32 > take care all
12-28-2004 19:14:34 > Notorious BIG : and lovely apt here :)