A new warrior talent build, I call it -The Beast-

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A new warrior talent build, I call it -The Beast-

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OK heheheheheh..
where to start........

Its about my warrior and the tons of builds possible >_>;
Being a warrior is nice but thinking about a spec is hard, for a warrior.

There are lots of builds on WoW site for warriors, all warriors dont like to take time and think about it carefully, they just follow the flow, 2hand weapon goes with Arms and 1hands go with Fury.
I actually tried all 3 talents, I like warrior whatever spec I try...
Ofcourse Mil is my druid, my toon however is a lvl70 warrior (Limitbreak), just so you know.. I had my warrior lvled from lvl10 to 60 as Arms specced, then at lvl60 I began to question the spec, so I respecced to Fury.. speccing to Fury was the best thing I ever did on warrior (I will tell you why later on), the DPS on Fury is insane.
Arms was nice for lvling but I realized when I tried Fury that Arms is actually for PvP (big numbers help creating panic so that horde dont play their best hehe, aslo u get more rage and more crit%), all that is good in Arms however, Fury > Arms when it comes to AP (Attack Power), thats why Fury does more dmg overtime than Arms.. its actually the AP, now what will happen if you go Fury 2h? Time for some real fun...

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Just before I continue.. about prot spec, its really worth it for end game tanking, dont mock Shield Bash nor Devastate, these 2 skills are tanking tools yes, but they are also the most damaging skills and for a pretty low rage cost too, you can spam Devastate and you will deal more than your normal dmg if you sunder target 5 times tho, and its instant (12rage only, far better than Heroic Strike -HS-).. Shield Bash costs 17rage and deals a neat dmg that sometimes reaches near Mortal Strike (and there is something weird, SB crits alot!! while MS sometimes MISSES!?), Mortal Strike and Bloodthirst are good too.. but 30rage cost is actually 1/3 the total 100rage u can get, which is kinda alot.. but still, nothing is useless in this game, all skills MUST be good for something =).. anyway, let us drop the prot spec for now because -The Beast- is a damage spec (sure you can deal a nice dmg in prot spec but you generate high threat in the prosses too), absolutely not for tanking.


Now there we are, this is a link for my spec -The Beast-
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0000000000

Now as you can see, the spec is 18/43/0 (nothing in prot), it is a fury/arms spec, only that you get 2/2 in improved Slam.. if you take a good look, you have ALL the damage factors in this build, the only true problem is that your a BEAST, not having 15 points in prot makes you the worst warrior tank possible BUT you get the BEST dmg possible too, how so? let me explain...

I checked all the DMG specs for warrior, there are 3 common specs..

1) Arms/prot (you get the 5% crit in fury and go get some of the prot talents so you get to tank as well if needed) OR Arms/fury (lets say you like 2h weapons and dont care about tanking, so you spend all points in fury after Arms, maybe you put 3 points in Tactical Mastery, well.. its good and some like it alot)
@ Actually Arms > Fury on multi targets, and that is because of the high weapon dmg on Cleaves and Whirlwinds, Sweeping Strike helps ALOT too.

2) Fury/arms (Dual Wield), this is the what players do to maximize their damage when doing raids OR some players like to go Fury/prot so they can still tank as good as Arms or Prot specs, even if it will hurt some of the dps they can get in the 3rd and 4th rows of the Arms talent page.
@ Fury > Arms on single targets, prolly more AP helps(Rampage + 10% AP more in berserk stance), more hits and more crits(Flurry ftw), more rage, more skills.

3) 31/30/0 Hybrid, now this is a weird spec.. its about getting Mortal Strike AND Improved Slam along with Flurry, hmm.. add Death Wish and Sweeping Strike too.
I never tried this spec but I think its good, lots of nice skills from talents.. HOWEVER, in my opinion.. Hybrids are kinda weak IN MOST CASES not all. I think its not better than -The Beast- because of some reasons:

(a) Mortal Strike is good but I like Bloodthirst more.. the reason is simply.. Mortal Strike is based on weapon damage, while Bloodthirst is based on AP.. meaning, your MS wont be good unless your weapon is super, BT will hit hard whenever you get more AP on you WHOLE gear, add to that.. BT can be used WHILE DISARMED.. moreover, MS effect is useless against classes that cant heal in PvP or on mobs that cant heal as well, BT gives you health WHATEVER your target class is.

(b) in Hybrid build, you get more 5% crit (poleaxe mastery) but in -The Beast- you get more 10% AP in berserk stance + 250AP more from Rampage, thats hell of an amount to lose too much AP for only 5% crit? prolly more AP will greatly help you deal more dmg.

(c) Losing Sweeping Strike is sad but we cant help it, Rampage is just too good, and you will get 2/2 in improved Whirlwind instead, that will make up for the loss of Sweeping Strike.
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Now let us discuss the things that I didnt put points in:
1- Booming Voice (I find this useless, it is valuable for lazy players but we are not lol)
2- Improved demo. shout (well, it is good but... you will gonna kill very fast in solo so you dont need it, and you wont need it even if you tank, trust me on this.. there are more worthy stuff we got)
3- Blood Craze (this talent is a BIG JOKE, please dont even think of putting anything in it.. if you ask me, Trolls love it tho, they get their racial health regeneration EVEN in combat + this talent + Second Wind.. however, if your not an Arms specced Troll, this talent is simply useless for you)
4- Improved Dual Wield (having second thoughts? dont worry, 2h fury will grab you more than some 1hand weapon dmg)
5- Improved Execute (this is nice in raids on bosses, but really.. we have better stuff than this, besides, are you going to waste 2 points in this just to spam it on a 20% low healthed boss in raids just to brag about having a high dmg meter? lol)
6- Improved Intercept (most fury DW warriors put in this becuase they dont want Improved Slam, its nice but not that good.. the real cooldown is 30sec, for 2 points.. it will get down to 20sec.. still high cooldown, if only it was 3/3 so you can get it down to 15sec and then to 10sec with the PvP set, then it would be GREAT to have)
7- Precision (this is very useful for a DW fury, you cant afford to miss on DW.. there is something VERY ODD here tho, as I experienced the 2h Fury (The Beast), I barely miss with my 2h?? and I dont really feel the misses, unlike 2h Arms, I complain ALOT on misses lol.. so for some unknown reason, you dont need this because you wont be missing hits at all.. valuable for DW fury but pointless for 2h fury)
8- Rend (OMG THIS SKILL IS THE WOSRT =P VERY GREAT VS ROGUES YEAH, BUT WHY IMPROVE IT?? the dmg on it is a nice joke lol)
9- Improved Heroic Strike (might be great for solo or PvP, but not important for groups/raids, generating High threat can be a problem, you can deal more dmg if you replace this with Slam)
10- Improved Thunder Clap (we are not tankers, remember that we are Beasts, so off with the tank tools =P throw this)
11- Improved Overpower (nice vs rogues, thats a rogue killer yeah, but the REAL rogue killer is an Arms specced warrior, not us.. we excel in dealing dmg, not in killing rogues, and its all about how you play, not because we depend on some talent for improving some skill, Overpower is in Battle Stance only, which is why I didnt put in it, having the improve will just make you confused in BGs (or raids) when someone dodges your hit and now you think, do I burn my rage by switching from berserk to battle stance just to Overpower the guy or just use the next skill and stay berserk stance? also having improved overpower will require you to get 3/3 in tactical mastery as well so you can chance stances w/o losing alot of rage... ALSO, its not HEALTHY for Slams if you burn your rage for overpowers, that will just nerf your dmg meter. I say we are Beasts, STAY in berserk stance and dont bother switching stances for some other skills!)
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If you have any questions or you are confused about something, please discuss it here, I will reply with the desired answer hopefully.

Look for my other invented builds soon.
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Post by Axavier »

Very close to the way Axavier was when I leveled him. Of course some of the talents didn't exist and the max level was 60, but still pretty close. Good job, looks good.
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Post by Mil »

thanks for replying :thumb:
nice knowing you liked it.

I was fury DW like you were and I loved it, what made me think of fury 2h is that I like 2h's dmg but I think Arms spec is kinda weak for PvE, so I tried fury 2h and woah.. insane dmg XD.. you can still DW on "Bosses" with -The Beast-...

its a friendly spec where you can use both, 2h for multi mobs insane aoe dmg and DW on bosses (you might wanna make a switch macro for weapons on bosses, Slam with 2h when you get near 100 rage lol).
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Post by CMF »

what about this talent

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/cla ... 0000000000

and here a video of this dude with the same talents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emu7P1yGg0k